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Cippalippus Primus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.09.23 19:31:00 - [1] Edited by: Cippalippus Primus on 23/09/2007 19:32:12 gonna be sweet to look back at the m. pires that commented in the thread about yesterday's engagement in zid also how the hell do you lose a mothership in low sec lmao edit: xrensa stop posting.
Cippalippus Primus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.09.23 20:32:00 - [2] Originally by: Kieranda his K:D ratio is impressive :shock: tbqh i was commenting that with other people and we found extremely hilarious how his last 10 kills are pod, shuttles and t1 frigates
Cippalippus Primus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.09.24 14:04:00 - [3] Originally by: ZaKma Originally by: Ventosus Originally by: ZaKma The cap boosters would give you enough of a boost to get past 70% and jump (with the number of BS x13 had). Let me put this straight. He couldt cyno off. Not with cap boosters or anything. I guess not with his setup. But with a proper setup he would have. I'll give you a hint. Think the old titan setups. Anyway nice kill and props to you guys for it. Always nice to see a plan well executed. Wasn't there the math for a Titan/Mothership setup that could recharge the cap in an extremely short amount of time? And what's the point of tanking a Mothership in low sec if you can just fill cap rechargers/cap relays/whatever and cyno out of troubles if troubles meet you...? I guess this mothership kill is the most beautiful display of natural selection.
Cippalippus Primus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.09.24 15:14:00 - [4] Originally by: ZaKma Originally by: Cippalippus Primus Originally by: ZaKma Originally by: Ventosus Originally by: ZaKma The cap boosters would give you enough of a boost to get past 70% and jump (with the number of BS x13 had). Let me put this straight. He couldt cyno off. Not with cap boosters or anything. I guess not with his setup. But with a proper setup he would have. I'll give you a hint. Think the old titan setups. Anyway nice kill and props to you guys for it. Always nice to see a plan well executed. Wasn't there the math for a Titan/Mothership setup that could recharge the cap in an extremely short amount of time? And what's the point of tanking a Mothership in low sec if you can just fill cap rechargers/cap relays/whatever and cyno out of troubles if troubles meet you...? I guess this mothership kill is the most beautiful display of natural selection. That's what I was talking about. Alternatively if you don't have the isk you can go tank setup + officer cap boosters. But the recharge setup is much better. I'm too lazy/tired to do the math myself, and I can't be arsed to go and find it, but IIRC you could basically pimp the cap recharge so much that neuting the cap took an unrealistic amount of NOS/neuts- mind you, now NOS don't even drain the cap, and you can't really permarun too many neuts without killing your own cap too. Anyways, lol.
Cippalippus Primus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.09.25 06:33:00 - [5] Originally by: Oberkorn Edited by: Oberkorn on 25/09/2007 05:19:21 Quote: Your corp mate is also asuming that you would've killed him regardless what his fitting were. My point being, your plan clearly was better than him and his ship. However it might not have worked on a different setup ship or a different pilot. That's all I'm saying. EVE is full of if's. Zakma û Trust me we put a lot of time into this. And maybe if he had done a Mr logoffski and avoid aggro before he gotten to the gate he may have survived. Let be realistic full uber caps reg. will only be used on titans. But Turin and Zakma and who else think that we where just lucky punks drops us a mail next time your ganking n00bs i low sec with your precious uber cap tank. And if you see a x13 member in local hes just mining. Trust me No one is denying that it was a well executed plan, the point is that a mothership in lowsec doesn't need a tank, and is much more survivable with a good cap regen; as your gang just proved. Once you have a mothership, it is safe to assume that you can afford something better than t2 cap rechargers/t2 cap relays, probably the only t2 fittings on a serious lowsec mothership are the capacitor control circuit II Why would you need a tank in low sec? You can permatank the sentries even with a battlecruiser... zakma is right, the mothership was poorly fitted, and everybody should thank x13 for weeding the weak and the stupid out of the game.
Cippalippus Primus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.09.25 12:45:00 - [6] Originally by: Barthezz words that's not a cap setup. A cap setup would mean every single slot devoted to cap recharge. Even with a vanilla t2 fitting for the poor (lol) Nyx pilot, you get a recharge of less than 2 minutes- just using t2 cap rec and t2 cap power relays. This means that the Nyx pilot is however a bit stupid because he's spending 30 millions to fit a ship that costs... how much? If you follow the golden fitting rule (tm) and spend the same on modules as the cost of your ship, you can afford some nice cap rechargers/cap relays and further push it down to the level where the 24 seconds neut cycle is longer than your cap recharge. Why would you do that? Because a Nyx has enough hitpoints to go make a coffee, log your cyno alt, and jump away. The only way to kill a nyx that way would be to have enough neuts alternating and pushing the cap down as it recharges. Enough neuts in this case meaning A LOT.
Cippalippus Primus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.09.25 13:53:00 - [7] Originally by: Barthezz Originally by: Cippalippus Primus Enough neuts in this case meaning A LOT. I think your missing the point that each BS added (past the initial 6 needed to stop it from jumping) to neutralize adds 200 cap/sec required. I think your missing the point that between 40% -> 100% and below 25% your cap / sec is far from optimal. You show me a setup thats required to regen 1000 cap / sec at 41% all the way up to 72%. As noted, the max cap regen that EFT shows is around 30-35% cap. Above and below that its far from optimal. Unless you go extremely expensive, I very much doubt anyone would realistically have the cap regen needed to jump out when 10-14 neut-BS get a jump on you. But show me a setup and you might convince me, not that it matters as x13 will most likely have ship-scanned Mr. End before attacking. We're just theorycrafting here are we? I'm glad that mothership died and x13 executed a wonderful plan. IAC are our brosefs too, so no hard feelings and whatsoever. Probably uneeded but important premise before this math galore turns into a flamefest, which isn't my intention. This said: a fully t2 cap regen dumps the cap recharge to below 2 minutes; if you want to spend a bit on it, and you really should after all because you're in the 2nd most expensive ship class of eve, you could slap some officer cap rechargers and cap relays for more cap recharge goodness. Add to this fact that battleships are unlikely to permarun all their neuts (remember, they use cap too; and a lot of it). Remember that you can't jam or damp a mothership, so you can safely concentrate your drones on one target at once; the cyno doesn't have to be in the same system (in fact the contrary is very likely). With all these premises, we can see that killing a cap regen mothership would've been much harder to kill; emphasis on harder, not impossible. From our understandings x13 knew the fittings, knew his habits, assembled an ad-hoc gang and striked perfectly. Which is by definition a good plan that worked out perfectly (insert a-team tune). There is a reason why motherships used to be considered nearly impossible to kill, along with titans, before the supercap nerf patch.
Cippalippus Primus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.09.25 15:53:00 - [8] Not saying it's realistic or easy or cheap, but doable? Yeah. 2 minutes (more like 90) seconds with t2 vanilla gets extremely down with officer or faction stuff, even if you don't fit a full rack of Draclira's. What's the point of getting in a mothership if you can't afford a bit of pricey modules? On the other hand what's the point of tanking a mothership in low sec? What can possibly threaten it?

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